Craig's List Election Excerpts

This isn't really a blog, but I want to preserve some of what I've felt over the last week to look back one day and view it from a historical perspective.

Of course there were some great posts this week on CR.

This may go against my "Christians for Kerry" theme, but I'm human and I get angry, too. Moreover, I think it's interesting to historically document some of the reactions to this. The anger following this election. Our country is so divided right now. It's scary. I don't envy the task Mr. Bush has in front of him trying to unify a county that is so passionately divided. The passages I've included are definitely liberal leaning (duh), but I've also included some other independents and any view point which was truly thought-provoking.


WARNING: SOME OF THESE MAY BE OFFENSIVE AND/OR CONTAIN FOUL LANGUAGE AND/OR SEXUAL THEMES



"Reduced to the basic facts, Jesus was a liberal, killed by conservatives for his liberal views - simple as that.

feed the hungry
heal the sick
shelter the poor

why is that so bad?"

"JESUS WAS A LIBERAL
Jesus stood up against the ruling party in his day. He worked on the sabath.
Jesus saved the poor. He was an honest hard working man of the earth,
Jesus was a teacher and not fighter.
Jesus died for his beliefs, and so will we"

"I'm a registered independent, leaning a bit more libertarian than democrat, but in more agreement with some social policies of republicans than democrats (if I have to choose). I voted for Bush. I've never posted here and I probably shouldn't since it seems I'm likely to just get a bunch of hate-filled replies from all sides. But I don't hate liberals and I don't hate dems and it definitely hurts to see so much hate from both sides.
But to answer your question, I really don't believe that most people who voted for Bush believe Saddam had anything directly to do with 9/11. I think most people believe that after 9/11, a new attitude had to be adopted toward anyone who poses any threat to the security of US citizens and American/Euro democracy. Saddam had a history of refusing to "world police" like the UN and playing games with the US after surrendering in the Kuwait fiasco. Add to that the a little genocide of his own people and you find little disagreement that he should be taken out. And yes, we know there are other area of genocide but this one happens to seem a) more of a threat, b) there is the involvement of oil [ which the "free world" relies on to keep operating no matter how disgusting that fact is, c) he is an incomplete project from earlier and, d) he is a relatively easy target (compared to warfare with a serious risk of nuclear weapons -- like North Korea).
Contrary to the occasional yahoo "conservative", I don't believe the majority of Bush voters like war or want war, but they also don't want our government to stand back and be pushed around by Germany, Russia or France when it comes to taking action. The UN issued plenty of ultimatums, but refused to follow through -- and if that isn't the truth, it was the perception.
While there has been no shortage of hate toward the Dems (especially during the Clinton years), I ultimately believe that it was the sort of hatred spread by Michael Moore that won the election for Bush. Fahrenheit 9/11 makes the president look like a dunce who does nothing but vacation. But anybody could make a film of a lot of people on craigslist and make it look like all they do is jerk off and watch reality TV show all day. So what? It was so hate-filled and so propaganda-ish that I think it just turned everybody off. Even if he was right on a lot of things. Another thing was the continual line of "Bush is sending our children to die for oil". It's insulting on several levels, including the fact that all of our soldiers are volunteers and adults and calling them "children" comes across like grown men are just poor little sheep being lead by some evil kindegarten teacher to their death.
Another point is just calling people "stupid" and belittling people for their religious beliefs. Looks at Moore's website right now. He's got "JesusLand" marked on the map. So that means that if I believe in Jesus, then I'm a backwards idiot? I'm not Christian but I don't go around spitting in their faces and belittling them just because I have different beliefs!
I don't know what the answer is to all of this. But more Michael Moore-type behavior (and goose-stepping obedience and repetition of the unreasonable hate and anger) is only polarizing and creating more people becoming even more passionate about voting against any Dem for anything.
Are there any non-militant dems out there who can at least understand (even if they disagree with) what I'm saying, or am I just too much of a sell-out to even both talking to? "


"Another thing that is really bugging me is that the Evangelicals have seemingly usurped not only the Republican Party but also the entire Christian faith. I believe in the TEACHINGS of Jesus, but I refuse to call myself a Christian any longer as it appears that word has been taken over by the religious right. I believe in feed the hungry, clothe the naked, be concerned for the welfare of prisoners. I believe in praying in the privacy of your soul, not standing on street corners and before congregations of thousands trumpeting your righteousness and moral superiority. I believe that if churches are going to be essentially PACs for the Republican Party, they should be taxed and regulated. I believe in the separation of church and state."

From New York:
The Morning After
"...You should have listened to New York America. We were the ones hit hardest by 9/11. And we could have told you, in fact DID tell you all night last night as you were eyeing him across the room not to do it, that he was a prick and a liar, and would most likely just steal from your purse to buy some coke, fuck you and leave you worse off than you already were. But like a woman with an abusive husband, America fell for the lies, fell for the promises that things are going to get better, that he only abuses us because he really loves us (and God forbid, that Jesus told him to do it). America fell for the bullshit. And now, she's on the way home. Sore, tired, and with considerably less self respect than she had yesterday. I don't know what the future holds. but after a night like last night spent with a dirty prick like Him, you have no idea what manner of political genital warts you may have contracted, no idea what might be lying latent just waiting to pop up and threaten your safety, your way of life, your well being. I mean, there are plenty of other countries out there to start a war with! and I'm willing to bet that none of those we choose will be home to Osama Bin Laden (who was that again? oh yeah, the guy we were supposed to find 4 years ago. But again, I digress.) So, my fellow Democrats, we weep. Let's be big about it though. It's over. Lets get back to watching him destroy the country, the economy, our status in the world, our Constitutional rights. Because in 4 years (Provided we're all still here) we can look all of our fellow Americans who just HAPPENED to have voted for him (because, like our slutty friends who take one night stands with abusive men, we can always forgive our fellow americans) in the face and say "Hey, I Told You So". Cold comfort, but the asshole in me sees it as the best I can hope for right now. And Shame on You America. You let yourself be used. Get your ass home, take a shower, and put on the hap-hap-happiest fucking face you can. Cause Tomorrow you have to face the world, and they ALL know what you did last night. "

"all day i felt like i had broken up with someone. i fell asleep with the remote in my hand listening to the news reporting votes. i woke up unable to even look at newspaper headlines or look at cnn. i saw a headline while walking up the steps to my job "undecided". i felt hope. we gathered around the television to listen to kerry and edwards admit defeat, no fighting where the finally couldve...this wasnt al gore. fuck you kerry if you think that i am going to help you out next time. get a fucking democrat with some motherfucking balls..or at least one. i cried while watching him speak/give up. i fucking cried. and the expression on bush's face makes me want to ram my fucking foot down his throat. that fucking smirk on his shiny monkey face he has that look like a guy gives a girl “oh, wrong hole.” get ready to be fucked in the ass for four more years honey. i want president bush to have an underwear nightmare in front of the entire world. i want someone to catch him gloating about all of the inbred misinformed poor people that voted for him. i want a fucking movie moment. i want to storm the whitehouse.
my mother and her political partners didn’t risk their fucking lives year after year just to relive some of this shit. my uncle didn’t go to vietnam and come back only to be abused for fighting and then for fighting against the war. i didn’t sit on my godmother hip while she had her head bashed in by police for workers rights for nothing. i was covered in blood at age 6 because my family and friends were fighting to make your lives better. my parents sacrified my fucking childhood so hundreds of other kids wouldn’t have to suffer. i wouldn’t have ever said that i wanted to take that all back but i if i could, i would because you didn’t deserve it. ive pulled glass out of my fathers skin, ive watched dozens of people be beaten down by people in uniform. i had rocks thrown at my house because we fought against the klan. i hid for more that 9 hours in an attic unable to speak because my family and friends fought against shit like this. ive had nightmares for years because my family fought your battles. during the gulf war i watched as one of my indian friends got his ass kicked because they thought that he was an “irakee”. FUCK YOU for voting for a goddamn terrorist. you rehired a sadist fuck who only cares if oil is thicker than your blood. you havent fought for a fucking thing in your life if you voted for bush. when you vote republican its like pretending that you are a millionaire. FUCK TAXES? who the fuck is going to pay for your ebt or wic? fuck abortion? how many more fucking babies are you going to crowd into your house? what house? screw housing developments! fuck healthcare? see who is gonna take care of you when you are drooling all over yourself. fuck you because all those fucking babies that you couldnt afford to have in the first place are the first ones that are going to war every time because to bush and the rest of the world thinks your sons life is trash. by voting for bush you are setting your children up to be killed. you think bush is pro-life? what trimester is your 18 year old son going to be in when they take his ass over to some oil soaked country just to use him as bait? you think that 9/11 was it? you fucking watch how much more pissed off everyone else is now that we have this fucking asshole as president again. no one is going to bomb motherfucking ohio. no one is going to attack idaho. doesnt it say anything to you that kerry won ny? that kerry won washington d.c and pennsylvania? the very states that were actually attacked? and you are fucking scared sitting your fucking trailer drinking your goddamn coors talking "them immigrants taking all the jobs." no one would even waste throwing a rock at your fucking trashy trashed ass. you think bush is going to take care of you? you think hes gonna actually defend you? maybe bush will be real nice and ask his friend ken lay to give you a fucking job. when your foodstamps are gone and you are pissing all over yourself on the corner of a street without disability or a fucking pension i will smile in your face. i will lean really close to you and mouth the words "i told you so." "